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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Advice to newly out gay trans men</title>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
		<link>http://notanotheraiden.com/guest-post-advice-to-newly-out-gay-trans-men/#comment-47021</link>
		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, yes, YESSSS!!!! i don&#039;t hate women, i hate stereotypical women--ie the ones who find it perfectly normal to comment endlessly on others&#039; looks, eating habits, etc. before i was out as trans i would CONSTANTLY have some girl or other push my bangs out of my face and coo &quot;you have such a preeettty faaaace, you should show it offff more!&quot; or &quot;how do you stay so skinnneeee, i wish i could eat ice creeeeam like you!&quot; ugh ugh ugh. in fact, i can now always tell if i pass or not by how i&#039;m treated by other FEMALES--whether they see me as an autonomous human being or just another one of &quot;the girrrlllls&quot; that they can comment on. excellent point. now, not all cis girls do this, but most do. i should also add that cis gay men do this too...but only to other people they perceive as cis girls as well. bleh, to be perceived as a boy means, in general, that i will be treated the way i wish to be treated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, yes, YESSSS!!!! i don&#8217;t hate women, i hate stereotypical women&#8211;ie the ones who find it perfectly normal to comment endlessly on others&#8217; looks, eating habits, etc. before i was out as trans i would CONSTANTLY have some girl or other push my bangs out of my face and coo &#8220;you have such a preeettty faaaace, you should show it offff more!&#8221; or &#8220;how do you stay so skinnneeee, i wish i could eat ice creeeeam like you!&#8221; ugh ugh ugh. in fact, i can now always tell if i pass or not by how i&#8217;m treated by other FEMALES&#8211;whether they see me as an autonomous human being or just another one of &#8220;the girrrlllls&#8221; that they can comment on. excellent point. now, not all cis girls do this, but most do. i should also add that cis gay men do this too&#8230;but only to other people they perceive as cis girls as well. bleh, to be perceived as a boy means, in general, that i will be treated the way i wish to be treated.</p>
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		<title>By: ShipofFools</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShipofFools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I wrote that part. And while I know how it sounds, I&#039;m still standing with it. I have been in all male and all female contexts. I have never experienced men telling men what to eat or what to wear. They mostly don&#039;t care enough for other people to even notice what other people eat or wear (or who they fuck and so on). 
Many women on the other hand, be they queer lesbians or straight secretaries, tend to be interested in things like that a lot. I always felt  extremely controlled and judged by women when I was in female environments and was seen as a women.
Women do that. Men don&#039;t. That&#039;s my experience. Calling this misogynistic doesn&#039;t make it go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>I think I wrote that part. And while I know how it sounds, I&#8217;m still standing with it. I have been in all male and all female contexts. I have never experienced men telling men what to eat or what to wear. They mostly don&#8217;t care enough for other people to even notice what other people eat or wear (or who they fuck and so on).<br />
Many women on the other hand, be they queer lesbians or straight secretaries, tend to be interested in things like that a lot. I always felt  extremely controlled and judged by women when I was in female environments and was seen as a women.<br />
Women do that. Men don&#8217;t. That&#8217;s my experience. Calling this misogynistic doesn&#8217;t make it go away.</p>
</div><p>Well-loved. Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-29303" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('29303', 'add', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-29303-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-29303" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('29303', 'subtract', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-29303-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">4</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: notaiden</title>
		<link>http://notanotheraiden.com/guest-post-advice-to-newly-out-gay-trans-men/#comment-21941</link>
		<dc:creator>notaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, this was a collaborative effort from a number of guys based on experiences in a wide variety of countries and settings.  I don&#039;t remember who came up with that particular one, but I&#039;m not going to pretend like everywhere in the world is as enlightened as the most liberal locations (which aren&#039;t particularly liberal, to be honest).

Second, TRANS MEN DON&#039;T HATE BEING WOMEN.  Trans men &lt;strong&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/strong&gt; women, plain and simple.  Go read a Trans 101 primer and get back to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>First off, this was a collaborative effort from a number of guys based on experiences in a wide variety of countries and settings.  I don&#8217;t remember who came up with that particular one, but I&#8217;m not going to pretend like everywhere in the world is as enlightened as the most liberal locations (which aren&#8217;t particularly liberal, to be honest).</p>
<p>Second, TRANS MEN DON&#8217;T HATE BEING WOMEN.  Trans men <strong>aren&#8217;t</strong> women, plain and simple.  Go read a Trans 101 primer and get back to me.</p>
</div><p>Well-loved. Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-21941" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('21941', 'add', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-21941-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-21941" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('21941', 'subtract', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-21941-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 07:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice misogyny 
&quot;Remember that gay men are independent and much less group-oriented than women/lesbians are.  Men donâ€™t control each other the way women do.&quot;
Just because YOU hate being a girl doesn&#039;t mean you need to take it out on women]]></description>
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&#8220;Remember that gay men are independent and much less group-oriented than women/lesbians are.  Men donâ€™t control each other the way women do.&#8221;<br />
Just because YOU hate being a girl doesn&#8217;t mean you need to take it out on women</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I need to read this once a month to remind myself of all the important points you and your friends make. Thanks for sharing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I need to read this once a month to remind myself of all the important points you and your friends make. Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-543" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('543', 'add', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-543-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-543" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('543', 'subtract', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-543-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jgraydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jgraydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has been sooo helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been sooo helpful.</p>
<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-542" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('542', 'add', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-542-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-542" src="http://notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('542', 'subtract', 'notanotheraiden.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-542-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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